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Revision as of 14:58, 28 April 2021
Easily Earn Points for Free Travel, Introduction to 'Transferable' Reward Points
For years, the Capital One Venture program has been the most famous of the "fixed value" reward programs. You earned 2 "miles" per dollar on every purchase. But these miles didn't work like real frequent flyer miles. While you didn't need to worry about award availability, each mile had a fixed value of 1 cent per point. Essentially the card worked the same as a 2% cashback card, just one in which the only reasonable way to redeem your points was to refund travel purchases.
In late 2018, Capital One turned Venture points into a true transferable reward program. You can still use Venture "miles" to offset any travel purchase at 1 cent each, but you can also transfer them to over a dozen different frequent flyer programs in order to redeem them for frequent flyer tickets.
Venture Rewards is a valuable and worthwhile credit card program, but generally not as useful as the Chase Ultimate Rewards, Amex Membership Rewards, and Citi ThankYou programs. However, if you are a big fan of booking vacation rentals, you might want to prioritize the Capital One program in order to earn as many Wyndham points as you can.
Unfortunately, it can be hard to get approved for the Venture or Spark cards. But if you can, they typically have very valuable signup bonuses and give you the flexibility of earning 2 or more Capital One "miles" per dollar.
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Airline transfer partners
Points transfers are either instantaneous or take a day or two. The main exception is Cathay Pacific, where transfers can take up to a week. You can transfer points in 100 point increments, as long as you transfer a minimum of a 1,000 points at a time. Points Transfer Times.
Like the Membership and ThankYou Rewards programs, Capital One occasionally offers transfer bonuses (where you get bonus miles when you transfer your points to a specific airline partner). See Take Advantage of Transfer Bonuses to Get More Value from Your Reward Points for more information or Frequent Miler’s Current Transfer Bonuses page. for a list of current bonuses.
The number of miles you get for each point depends on the airline. With some airlines, you get as much as a full mile per point (or 2 miles for every dollar spent with your card). In the worst cases, you only get ½ mile per point (or 1 mile per dollar). And with many of their better airline partners, you get $frac34 miles per point (or 1.5 mile pr dollar).
| Star Alliance (United) |
SkyTeam (Delta) |
Oneworld (American) |
Other |
|---|---|---|---|
| Air Canada (1:¾) (Aeroplan) |
Air France / KLM (1:¾) (Flying Blue) | Cathay Pacific (1:1) (Asia Miles) |
JetBlue (1:¾) |
| Turkish Airlines (1:¾) | Alitalia (1:¾) | British Airways (1:¾) | Etihad (1:1) |
| Avianca (1:1) | Aeromexico (1:1) | Qantas (1:1) | Emirates (1:½) |
| EVA Air (1:¾) | Finnair (1:1) | ||
| Singapore (1:½) | |||
| TAP Portugal (1:1) |
At first glance, Capital One has a better set of frequent flyer transfer partners than Ultimate Rewards and ThankYou Rewards. However, it is hard to earn lots of points and with many of the partners you get less than 1 mile per dollar.
Turkish Airlines is fantastic for many United and Star Alliance flights and isn't a partner of Membership Rewards or Ultimate Rewards, but 2 Venture points only gets you 1.5 Turkish miles, while 2 ThankYou points gets you 2 Turkish miles. Similarly British Airways is great for many shorter Oneworld flights and Air France / KLM Flying Blue can be good for SkyTeam flights, but you'll get 1:1 transfers with the other transferable point programs and only 1:¾ with Capital One. Air Canada is also a good Star Alliance partner and one that is not available with Ultimate and ThankYou rewards, but suffers from the lower transfer rate.
While Avianca can be a pain to deal with, it is often a great option for Star Alliance flights and is available as a 1:1 transfer partner (just like Membership and ThankYou Rewards). Cathay is another good 1:1 partner (for Oneworld flights), but is a partner with all the other programs. Etihad can be an attractive option for many of its partners, including American Airlines, but is available through both Membership and ThankYou rewards.
Finnair and TAP Air Portugal, Capital One's unique partners, aren't particularly useful. Neither are Qantas and EVA, which are also part of the Citibank ThankYou points program, but not part of the generally more useful Membership or Ultimate Rewards programs. The possible exception are good rates for flights on El Al with the Qantas program or to access extra premium-cabin award space on EVA.
Remember that you can use miles from any of these programs to book awards with any of that program’s partner airlines. So, you can transfer your Venture points to Air Canada and then use the Air Canada miles to fly United, any of the two dozen or so other airlines that are part of the Star Alliance, or any other of Air Canada's other airline partners. With all the various partnerships, you can redeem your Venture points for flights on almost 100 airlines.
Hotel transfer partners
You can transfer your Venture points to three hotel partners. And two of them are worthwhile (the only other good hotel point transfer option among the big four programs is Ultimate Rewards to Hyatt).
- Wyndham Rewards. Venture points transfer at a 1:1 ratio. Since we value Wyndham points at 0.8 cents each, this seems like a low-value redemption. However, Wyndham points can be much more valuable when used to book vacation rentals. If this is something that you will be able to frequently take advantage of, the ability to earn 2x Wyndham points per dollar with the Capital One cards may be the main reason you'll want to take advantage of. If not, it may still be worthwhile for more valuable Wyndham hotel redemptions. Guide to Wyndham Rewards.
- Accor Live Limitless (ALL). Accor is the loyalty program for a very large number of primarily European and Luxury brands, including Novotel, Sofitel, and Fairmont. They offer a fixed-value reward program, where each point is worth exactly .02 Euros (around 2.2 cents). Venture points transfer at a 2:1 ratio, so you are getting around 1.1 cents per Venture point. This is slightly more than you would get by using your Venture points for regular travel purchases. Guide to Accor Live Limitless.
- Choice Privileges. Since you can "buy" Choice points for .8 cents each with the Cash & Points trick, it doesn't make sense to transfer your Capital One points to Choice. You'd be better off cashing them out at 1 cent each (or transferring them to some more valuable program. Guide to the Choice Privileges Program.
Wyndham and Acccor don't participate with the other transferable credit card reward programs.
Cashing out your points
If you don’t want to mess around with frequent flyer tickets, your can always use your Venture points to pay for most other travel purchases.
Unlike programs like Ultimate Rewards, you don't need to make your purchase through a travel portal that is run by the credit card company. You can just use your Capital One Card to make almost any travel purchase and then use your points to "erase" the charges on your statement. For example, you can make a direct purchase at Hilton, a secret hotel purchase on Hotwire, or a payment directly to a taxi cab driver, and then use your points to offset the charge on your statement.
You have up to 90 days to make a redemption, so you can eventually use points you haven't earned yet to offset purchases you make with your card.
Unlike many other fixed-value points, there is no minimum redemption. If you have a $2 train ticket, you can use 200 points to "erase" it. However, if you only want to use points for part of the charged amount, you'll need to use at least 2,500 points.
You also have the option of making a point-based purchase directly through Capital One's travel portal. But you'll probably receive better pricing, and often receive additional benefits and reward points, by booking elsewhere and then using your Capital One points to offset the credit card charge.
Capital One "transferable points" credit cards
Only the Venture and Spark cards earn points that can be directly transferred to airline and hotel partners. However, if you have one of those cards, points from the Savor, Savor One, and Quicksilver card can be transferred to your Venture card and then transferred out.
| Card | Typical Signup Bonus | Bonus Categories | Effective Annual Fee |
|---|---|---|---|
| Capital One Venture | 50,000 | 2x all purchases | $95 |
| Capital One VentureOne | 20,000 | 1.25x all purchases | $0 |
| Spark Miles (Business) | 50,000 | 2x all purchases | $95, waived first year |
| Spark Miles Select (business) | 20,000 | 1.5x all purchases | $0 |
| Capital One Savor Card | 30,000 | 4x dining and entertainment
2x grocery |
$95 |
| Capital One SaverOne Card | 20,000 | 3x dining and entertainment
2x grocery store |
$0 |
| Quicksilver | 20,000 | 1.5x all purchases | $0 |
Collecting multiple signup bonuses
- Points are worth at least 1 cent each. You are likely to get a bit more when redeeming for frequent flyer tickets and potentially Wyndham points.
- It is worthwhile to collect miles from the Venture and/or Spark signup bonuses. A typical signup bonus of 50,000 points can still be redeemed for $500 in travel purchases and can be worth considerably more when transferred to frequent flyer programs.
- You can only receive a new Capital One personal credit card every six months. And you can only have a total of two cards at one time.
- It can be hard to be approved for Capital One cards. They seem to prefer people who don't pay off your balance every month. If you fall into this category, you should focus on reducing your interest rates (and paying off your debt), not on collecting signup bonuses.
Point transfers and expiration
- You can transfer points to any other Capital One cardholder, not just a spouse or family member. You'll need to call in, as there is no way to do this online.
- Each Capital One credit card accrues miles into a separate account, but you can freely move miles between cards. When it is time to transfer miles to a partner, offset travel purchases, or cancel a card, you can easily combine the miles into the account associated with any one of your cards.
- You'll need to keep one of these cards open if you want to maintain your points balance. However, you should be able to downgrade your card into a one of the options that doesn't charge an annual fee. Other options are to use your points for a travel purchase or transfer them to the partner you are mostly likely to want to leverage in the future.
Comparing to the other transferable points programs
Unfortunately, the Venture program is just not as good as the Ultimate Rewards program. When used for frequent flyer tickets, you'll earn the same 1.5 miles per dollar spent, but Venture's airline partners aren't quite as good as Chase's. And when used for easier redemption options, you only get the equivalent of 2% back, rather than the 2.25% to 3% you can get through Ultimate Rewards. Furthermore, there are no opportunities to earn higher bonus category reward rates, collect multiple signup bonuses, or get great value through one of the major hotel programs (such as Hyatt).
If you are willing to focus primarily on using your points for frequent flyer tickets, Membership Rewards winds up being a much better overall program and even ThankYou rewards is probably more useful.
